beef farmers advising lettuce farmers on how to go vegan.!!!!

[Chopper the ex Copper]

Oh you can't beat a good hypocrite

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Aye, she did look a bit of a tool flying from LA to the UK to lecture us about climate.

Its like Greta. Fair play to her wanting to get to the US without burning fossil fuel and getting a ride on a sailing yacht. What wasn't so good was the main crew having to get on a jet from the US to Europe so they could sail it for her, and the relief crew having to get on an airliner to fly to the US so they could sail it back!

Whatever happened to folk just setting on with it quietly and setting an example? Being lectured by climate envoys that own private jets, or actors with multiple houses spread across the globe, or Just Stop Oil protesters who have taken 49,000 miles of holiday flights in the last 5 years doesn't seem to be making the public listen. Can't think why.

 

[MattiThundrrr]

Restless people
In a sick sick city
Burn their homes to the ground
To make the sky look pretty

 

[CassidyAce]

Surely, protest and action, words and deeds, are most effective when they go hand-in-hand. Protest on its own, without corresponding changes in behaviour, is a route to hypocrisy. No dispute. On the other hand, if people just change their behaviour, it doesn't send such a clear message about why they've changed their behaviour. Growing your own veg is great but, on its own, it doesn't say that you would like sustainable farming anymore than it says that you like turnips. No doubt, Nelson Mandela was a very decent chap, but we have only heard of him because of the ANC, his legal team, the media, and many, many others who protested. No doubt, Emmett Till was a decent young man too, but he was tortured, lynched, and his killers went free. His decency didn't bring about change; it was protesters like Martin Luther King that did. With respect to the environment, there will be environmental costs to going to summits, meetings, protests, etc. but the issue is, will the eventual environmental benefits outweigh those costs?

 

[Imlach]

Uh oh I think I've found the political rabbit hole.

Beef lettuce.

I think Chopper is making valid points about the hypocrisy of the 'green' elites and its pawns. Greta is a good example of a well meaning young girl that has been exploited for press stunts.

I disagree with the whole quiet protesting, though. No such thing. MLK, who many champion as a hero of pacifist protesting and nonviolence had to accept that there often were no ways to get a message across without the use of some form of violence and destruction. The state has a monopoly on violence, and had people not challenged that (and continue to challenge it), the world would be a much darker place than it already is.

Lettuce beef.

 

[Chopper the ex Copper]

I see two women died on the M25 because the ambulance was stuck in gridlock thanks to the 2 protesters that went to climb up the QE2 bridge. Doctors are quite equivocal - had they been able to get them to Hossy there is a fair chance they could have saved them both.

Protesting is fine, and done with thought and dignity can be a powerful tool.

However, protesting in a manner that costs people money though missed work, distress or harm through missed chemo appointments, or which indirectly leads to two people dying is massively counterproductive. As a consequence these groups are now even further from getting the government to change a single word of policy than before they started. Even worse, they have no hope in hell of getting the public at large to pressure the government to do so.

 

[al-onestare]

Surely, protest and action, words and deeds, are most effective when they go hand-in-hand. Protest on its own, without corresponding changes in behaviour, is a route to hypocrisy. No dispute. On the other hand, if people just change their behaviour, it doesn't send such a clear message about why they've changed their behaviour. Growing your own veg is great but, on its own, it doesn't say that you would like sustainable farming anymore than it says that you like turnips. No doubt, Nelson Mandela was a very decent chap, but we have only heard of him because of the ANC, his legal team, the media, and many, many others who protested. No doubt, Emmett Till was a decent young man too, but he was tortured, lynched, and his killers went free. His decency didn't bring about change; it was protesters like Martin Luther King that did. With respect to the environment, there will be environmental costs to going to summits, meetings, protests, etc. but the issue is, will the eventual environmental benefits outweigh those costs?

Spot on. For maximum chance of impact and change, both aspects are needed.

 

[CassidyAce]

I see two women died on the M25 because the ambulance was stuck in gridlock thanks to the 2 protesters that went to climb up the QE2 bridge. Doctors are quite equivocal - had they been able to get them to Hossy there is a fair chance they could have saved them both.

Protesting is fine, and done with thought and dignity can be a powerful tool.

However, protesting in a manner that costs people money though missed work, distress or harm through missed chemo appointments, or which indirectly leads to two people dying is massively counterproductive. As a consequence these groups are now even further from getting the government to change a single word of policy than before they started. Even worse, they have no hope in hell of getting the public at large to pressure the government to do so.

Yep. We can see the awful consequences of fifteen-year jail sentences making good people too scared to protest but, equally, the freedom to protest should be used wisely enough for it not to do more harm than good. I think everyone here is singing from the same hymn sheet; they just began at different verses.

 

[tintin40]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/63456190

 

[Imlach]

Read through it and saw this


Monty Python moment, so ridiculous

 

[Chopper the ex Copper]

This weeks Just Stop Oil protesters include many car owners, including one who has devoted her Felchberk page to documenting the jollies she has in hers (the Mail is quite adept at combing FB for the pages of people of interest.) She's probably one of those moaning about petrochemical comoany sponsorship...