Armstrong charged with doping by USADA
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For me it's a burden of proof, just because that have results that "look" like BT's and manipulation have been going on doesn't actually mean they have and also just because a few "caught" dopers say they saw L.A doping doesn't mean anything.
Innocent until proven guilty is what I say, you may or may not like the guy but as of yet he has never been caught doing anything and I think he was the most tested rider ever.
It just feels like they are saying "Right we know you are all doing it but because we caught you, you can carry on but we are sure this guy was doping because everyone seems to be doing it but could never catch him so this insults us lets just keep trying to ruin this guys reputation until everyone just believes he was a doper whether or not he actually was.
Innocent until proven guilty is what I say, you may or may not like the guy but as of yet he has never been caught doing anything and I think he was the most tested rider ever.
It just feels like they are saying "Right we know you are all doing it but because we caught you, you can carry on but we are sure this guy was doping because everyone seems to be doing it but could never catch him so this insults us lets just keep trying to ruin this guys reputation until everyone just believes he was a doper whether or not he actually was.
One of the accusations is use of a corticosteroid, the same corticosteroid he was prescribed, and that was approved for use, to treat saddle-sores.
The same corticosteroid that was approved for use (not only by Lance Armstrong) by the UCI and cleared by WADA.
Essentially, these are the same allegations that the US Government and the FBI Investigator Jeff Novitsky have been investigating for two years, and quietly dropped in January this year as nothing could be proved (much of the evidence presented to Novitsky's Grand Jury came from Floyd Landis, who is of course a rider convicted of doping, and who - publicly - has something of an axe to grind with Armstrong).
There was also the issue that in the US, there was antagonism towards the US Postal Team (as was) due to their selling-off (at a profit) of ex-Team bikes at the end of a season; Bikes which had been paid for (due to US Postal sponsorship) by the US Government.
There is surely more to this story than meets the eye!
The same corticosteroid that was approved for use (not only by Lance Armstrong) by the UCI and cleared by WADA.
Essentially, these are the same allegations that the US Government and the FBI Investigator Jeff Novitsky have been investigating for two years, and quietly dropped in January this year as nothing could be proved (much of the evidence presented to Novitsky's Grand Jury came from Floyd Landis, who is of course a rider convicted of doping, and who - publicly - has something of an axe to grind with Armstrong).
There was also the issue that in the US, there was antagonism towards the US Postal Team (as was) due to their selling-off (at a profit) of ex-Team bikes at the end of a season; Bikes which had been paid for (due to US Postal sponsorship) by the US Government.
There is surely more to this story than meets the eye!
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chriscl":aamdz32a said:
Would that be the corticosteroid that caused the failed drug test (that Armstrong conveniently, consistently, forgets to mention) for which he was then allowed to submit a retrospective prescription having failed to declare its use? Retrospective prescriptions were also not permitted under the rules, but somehow were allowed for LA.
It always surprised me that:
1 Former members of the 'clean' USPS seemed so often to fail tests after moving to other teams.
2 Johan Bruyneel goes from being a clean DS at USPS to Astana, who have a *cough* chequered track record.
My suspicion is that USPS had a very well-executed blood doping programme, and nobody else was as thorough. It does surprise me other otherwise clean athletes suddenly turned dirty on leaving the team. Something doesn't quite fit there.
I've always worried about Armstrong's very specific statement of 'I have never taken performance-enhancing substances' and NOT 'I have never doped'. Weasel words I fear.
Personally I don't want the muck raked up and would never like to see Indurain implicated - in my head I'm sure he doped as it was normal at the time - but in my heart I don't want the evidence.
1 Former members of the 'clean' USPS seemed so often to fail tests after moving to other teams.
2 Johan Bruyneel goes from being a clean DS at USPS to Astana, who have a *cough* chequered track record.
My suspicion is that USPS had a very well-executed blood doping programme, and nobody else was as thorough. It does surprise me other otherwise clean athletes suddenly turned dirty on leaving the team. Something doesn't quite fit there.
I've always worried about Armstrong's very specific statement of 'I have never taken performance-enhancing substances' and NOT 'I have never doped'. Weasel words I fear.
Personally I don't want the muck raked up and would never like to see Indurain implicated - in my head I'm sure he doped as it was normal at the time - but in my heart I don't want the evidence.
Chopper the ex Copper
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It not so cut and dried. My eldest daughter used to compete at international level in Tae Kwon Do and there was a phenomenal list of every day food, drink and even over the counter medicines she had to avoid as the could give the same results as some illicit substances and practices.
Cup of coffee the day before a fight? That'll show up as substance XYZ in a blood test. The list was several hundred items long, sobi can quite believe it when people stubbornly maintain their innocence.
Cup of coffee the day before a fight? That'll show up as substance XYZ in a blood test. The list was several hundred items long, sobi can quite believe it when people stubbornly maintain their innocence.
Chopper1192":f0lxhdz9 said:
When Tyler Hamilton said (parroting what he testified under oath to the US Congress) on 60 Minutes (in regards to one specific occasion) he injected himself, then turned around and injected Lance and it wasn't the first, nor the last time, it kinda is cut and dried.
Chopper the ex Copper
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If he's telling the truth. If.
