al carter sacrifice?

[poweredbypies]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq-gYOrU8bA

 

[FMJ]

Al Carter turned me into a newt.

 

[pete_mcc]

The news isn't good I'm afraid;

 

[Rusty Scrubber]

Somehow this statement and this picture dont go together

Al Carter bikes are quite rare, and were relatively top end in their day and worth decent money.

I have a Hot Rock and it's awesome.

Dont tease us, where is the real bike? This looks to be a badly photoshopped Littlewoods catalog bike - mismatched wheels, 6spd shifters and a 5 spd block, wheres your real Al Carter?

Is it one like this?

Or this?

Come on, dont tease, show us the real 'high end' bike, not the leisure bicycle pictured.

If this is your bike, then you will need this to change the rear mech:

and one of these fellas to add better more comfortable stems:

In keeping with the topic, are you going to sacrifice anything to upgrade your hot rock? Plenty of bargains on ebay still.

You know something LGF, you're just a guy in a chair at the pc like everybody else, only you're a bit less intimidating in real life than the cinematic hard man in your avatar.

Why don't you quit with the bike snobbery, and stop telling Al Carter bike owners that their Al Carter bikes are shit?

Have you ever thought that I or anybody else might love their Al Carter bikes, and don't need some forum big shot with the sensitivity of a stone putting us down?

Who cares if you think it looks like a bike from Littlewoods?
Who cares if it doesn't have XTR components and super duper wheels?
Who cares who Al Carter was?

The guys Al Carter Black Panther in this thread is stunning in my opinion, and the Hot Rock I've just restored is equally as stunning in my opinion, so who cares if you don't like them?


I suppose this guys bike was a bad Photoshop too?

Or maybe his?

Have you thought about maybe growing up a little bit?

 

[legrandefromage]

Are you, Rusty Scrubber, 'Al Carter'?

 

[legrandefromage]

just picked up a 89 muddyfox pathfinder which is pretty much standard factory components from its time(exage country).The bike is excellent to ride as it is and i love the paint job crackle effect,but the thing is the components are a little ugly and plastic looking.
I have an al carter black panther with full deore dx components and was thinking of transfering all the al carter parts on to the mf frame,so really sacrificing 2 bikes for one . i cant afford at the moment to buy all new parts for the mini project so stuck in two minds what to do,would i just be wasting my time?what would you do?

Al-Carter were posh Emmelle if memory serves and no, they werent any good back then either as they often weighed mmore than their counterparts, even Claud Butlers.

Its one of those, Townsend, Emmelle, Falcon, they were all a bit too late in making up a posher name to up their brands.

By then it was too late - we already knew that Yaksmaka too well...

You know something LGF, you're just a guy in a chair at the pc like everybody else, only you're a bit less intimidating in real life than the cinematic hard man in your avatar.

Why don't you quit with the bike snobbery, and stop telling Al Carter bike owners that their Al Carter bikes are shit?

Have you ever thought that I or anybody else might love their Al Carter bikes, and don't need some forum big shot with the sensitivity of a stone putting us down?

Who cares if you think it looks like a bike from Littlewoods?
Who cares if it doesn't have XTR components and super duper wheels?
Who cares who Al Carter was?

The guys Al Carter Black Panther in this thread is stunning in my opinion, and the Hot Rock I've just restored is equally as stunning in my opinion, so who cares if you don't like them?

I suppose this guys bike was a bad Photoshop too?

You're waay to sensitive and should take a breather. Perhaps re-read the above before getting in a lather and mis-quoting. No-one said they were shit, just not that special. Wheres the heritage behind the name? Was it race proven frame geometry? If so what races? Who won what? What gives these bikes their profile? Was there a famous designer behind these bikes? You were asked but just decided to complain rather than educate. I am guilty too, your example is not the best promotion of a brand that you clearly love and I couldnt resit pointing out those obviously pixelated decals.

They were heavy bikes when new and the ride wasnt inspiring, not when compared to a similarly priced Kona or Specialized - components aside, the frame is the most important part of a bike and if that doesnt inspire confidence, it forms an opinion . Its these that stay with us just as long as the bikes we liked, and when asked some 18 years later, we can then make an educated guess as, perhaps, some of us had the same model.

That was what was asked by lowe1677, an opinion. It was given, clearly a balance was had as there was not quite the universal praise you were expecting. Rather than ask why you just went off and wasted time on silly pictures that did you no favours whatsoever, reaffirming opinions about yourself from your now deleted posts in other threads.

Retrobike is the World's #1 site dedicated to vintage, retro and classic mountain bikes, road bikes & BMXs.

The site is an education. There are members who are some of the founding fathers of that shape of bicycle you pictured. It was they who gave us the fat tyre look, multiple gears and wide bars. Thats why this site is so important. There are also 100's of members who have owned and raced 100's of different brands, plus collectors of exotica, forever seeking out the finest frames or components produced. That is not snobbery in any way, its part of the education that this site brings to the cycling enthusiast.

Now back to your bike. I would just make a few safety checks:

Is that stem past its safety mark?

You have 6spd shifters on a 5spd block - have the end stops on the rear mech been set properly? If not, a swift upshift may end up with the mech in the rear wheel damaging spokes and possibly causing an accident. A downshift may jam the chain between the frame and block too.

Staying with that back wheel, is it 130mm or 135mm wide? Squeezing the rear end together can sometimes damage the frame at the rear stays.

Is the rear hub steel? On budget steel hubs the finish can be a little sharp and you can end up with the hub literally cutting through the spokes when riding.

Maybe I should have started out like this but, its the internet, its a happy go lucky site and a smartarse response is usually the norm here.

As for me in person, there were complaints the last time I changed my avatar so it has stayed for some years now. Also, I have far worse hair than the Anton Chigurh character. Its my fault as I am too lazy to get a haircut - children often point and laugh, but hey, I dont fret, I just laugh and go on the internet to complain about it.

 

[Rusty Scrubber]

You clearly have little understanding of the word empathy, sensitivity, or tact.


I wrote the following, thrilled that another guy had a bike like mine#:

It's very nice, but glad you didn't hurt the Al Carter.

Al Carter bikes are quite rare, and were relatively top end in their day and worth decent money.

I have a Hot Rock and it's awesome.

After my saying they were relatively top end in their day (often had xt group sets and alloy frames) you immidiately jump in and contradict:

It's very nice, but glad you didn't hurt the Al Carter.

Al Carter bikes are quite rare, and were relatively top end in their day and worth decent money.

I have a Hot Rock and it's awesome.

Al-Carter were posh Emmelle if memory serves and no, they werent any good back then either as they often weighed mmore than their counterparts, even Claud Butlers.

As if that wasn't enough, you then tell a guy that you know suffers with depression that he "has issues with none existant problems" only to have your low comment removed.

You ignore pm's, before further slating a retro bike that I've just finished restoring by calling it a bad Photoshop that looks like something out of Littlewoods catalogue. :shock:

And then you say I'm oversensitive?


Seriously mate, thanks for all the sarcastic little tips too, but know that I get up in the morning, and straight out of my back door into my workshop, and start working on bikes, and when it's dark, I'm still working on bikes, and my fingers are constantly damaged and sore, because all I do all day long is work on bikes, so as much as I appreciate genuine advice from people, I'm not sure I need silly comments or recommendations of Altus derailleurs that Dave was selling, that were the topic of a laughing spree in one of Johns threads.

Now that was a big sentence, but contained 'none' of the things I 'might' have said to you had I been 'oversensitive'.

Maybe I will take a breather, but it will be if I decide to, or John asks me to, but it won't be because a guy on a forum with narcissistic traits tells me to.

Have a nice day, and no need to continue this silly discussion on an open forum. :roll:

 

[Tazio]

This thread is a car crash.

 

[john]

This has run it's course.

Part of a forum is debate and discussion - I see no issue in being asked to justify a statement.

Still intruiged as to who Al Carter is / was. Perhaps with all these mentions of Al on the forum there is an agent of Paul Simon at work, just stuck on Graceland for a bit.