84 Saracen ATB

You still organising off road jollies graham?
Yes, I took over the annual December Wendover mountain bike rides from Geoff Apps when he moved out of the area in 1988, and continue to do so.

I also started occasional summer rides after a few riders complained about the weather and trail conditions in December. Paradoxically fewer people have been turning up for these summer rides, most likely due to the number of other things that happen when the weather is nice.

These rides are posted on the Cleland Rides WhatsApp group and the Cleland website and anyone is welcome to join us.
https://clelandcycles.wordpress.com/rides/
 
At last I have the answer to a question that has nagged me for 15 years !

When I started having an interest in vintage mountain bikes, I quickly got a soft spot for the very early stuff for reasons too long to explain here (and who cares ?!). And when I finally found the "bike of my dreams" (with lugs !), it was that not once but twice. Firstly because it was a 1985 so just a year after the new trend had arrived here in France and secondly because its make was Bertin, a french brand I favor and collect.

But upon closer inspection, something was off. Only the crankset (Nervar) and rims (Rigida) were french at a time when France still had a strong industry. The rest was from Suntour, Shimano, Tange, L. Sin (?), Brooks and Sturmey Archer. And no catalog, advertisement or press article was to be found anywhere with my bike in it. It was puzzling but then I got to know about british brands here on Retrobike and I thought some bikes from Dawes, Claud Butler, Raleigh, looked very similar. So I started thinking that maybe it was a case of rebadging which could be explained by commercial relations that Bertin had with a british importer/wholesaler named Ron Kitching. But despite the strong feeling, no real match ever appeared. Until now !

That Saracen of yours has all the frame details that puts an end to my investigation : seatstay caps, chainstay dimple, Suntour rear dropouts, lugs, fork crown, cable stops are identical. Drum brakes are a rarity on MTBs and there they are, from the same brand Sturmey Archer. Even the stem, handlebar and headset are identical. Other components differ though like derailers, shifters and brake levers but that's not relevant as the rest is more than proof. Oh and my bike also came with rear rack and mudguards but I removed them thinking they were previous owner's additions but evidently not.
 

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Theres still quite a big question as to where those frames came from. Saracen swear they made them, but the same frames appear on evans bikes and others.....

Its quite possible that frame came from the same producer and was finished by bertin and components added.

You got to remember that component choices weren't huge then either! So the fact it has a certain shifter etc if not uncommon as there was little choice! That WIN stem was a cheaper option to the nitto " golf club"...same goes for the chome bars.

Other bits were nicked from touring kit box...ie your rear mech and those hubs.

Nice bike btw.
 
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