1996 Kona Cinder Cone

used to run 2.5" Azonic risers in a velocity stem

cromo or alloy stem?

honestly when I tried to get the supercross bars in, it felt like there was no way on earth it was ever gonna fit through (and I'm used to trying to finaggle bars through quill stems on the road bike) - not even close

would live to know what the secret sauce is if you managed this!

for ref - bars like these - not very extreme :)

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cromo or alloy stem?

honestly when I tried to get the supercross bars in, it felt like there was no way on earth it was ever gonna fit through (and I'm used to trying to finaggle bars through quill stems on the road bike) - not even close

would live to know what the secret sauce is if you managed this!

for ref - bars like these - not very extreme :)

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Yeah, standard cromo stem.

Haven't had to do it since bitd, though still get smaller rise bars like the one above in now and again. When you get to the bend I twist them upside down while pushing, kind of like screwing them in, they then go past the first kink, then again for the second kink. It is easy to mark the bars though, but you can get it through without marking them. If you get it right the bars seem to go through effortlessly, almost falling past the kinks, as you know though, it can be a right struggle sometimes.
 
cool. I suspect the later alloy version of the velocity (which is what I have) might be wider, and less flexible at the clamp than the cromo one though. its VERY wide TBH, and hence any significant bend angle at all and the bars wedge solid.

I have successfully installed modern style drops on my road bike which has a quill stem and that was pretty difficult, but doable just - so I'm familiar with orientated the bends around as you go to get the narrowed part of the stem angled to the inner bar radius. the clamp on that stem though is literally about 4 times less wide than the velocity :)
 
I've had the most luck balancing comfort and performance with MX bars or at least MX style bars with a 50mm stem. Usually winds up being 22.2mm bars with a BMX stem. That's my preference for off-road riding

If sticking with the Velocity stem, and with an emphasis on comfort, and for street use and maybe gravel, I'd consider Nitto Albatross or something very similar. North Road style bars vary in the degree of forward sweep; I can do bars with no forward sweep at all (eg Nitto Bosco) if I'm using a 130mm (or more) stem; any less than that and I need at least some forward sweep. The Rivendell website has a good array of North Road bars so you can see your options (although if you're located outside the US, Blue Lug might be better in terms of shipping costs)

Lord knows I love the folks at Surly but I feel their prices are a bit much for what you get; among other things their handlebars are heavy. The heat-treated aluminum Albatross is only a little more money for something that's beautiful, light, versatile, strong, and should last a lifetime. I like the wrist position and really like that it'll take bar end shifters, which opens up some grip real estate. Gives ya two distinct hand positions -- one well forward of the steering axis for performance and climbing; and one out on the tips if you want to sit up and look around, or go downhill. You can also mount em upside down if you want to get all aero without having to figure out how to make drop bars work on a mtb frame. Only thing you gotta watch is, you have a lot of leverage at the clamp, not sure a Velocity stem will clamp em down tight enough for rough terrain. For street it should be fine but it'll need to be gorilla tight
 
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