“Cyclists are bad for the economy and the planet”

OK....bit of fact checking...the text initially looks potentially ironic. Then some fact checking:

http://www.pibfactcheck.in/facts-ch...m-bank-ltd-cycling-bad-for-economy-15825.html
Now sometimes the factchecking sites themselves need fact checking...(how weird is the world getting?)....but in this case the elusive Sanjay T seems never to have been on the board of Exim Bank (which does exist).

But....

The sentiment is right in discussing what the apparently fake quote covers. Banks have in interest in economic activity independently of the ethical and environmental issues. As the oil lobby in the ‘States has said ... ‘...wilderness? That’s for drilling....’. The way we have arranged global economic activity pushes irrelevant, unhealthy, damaging products as much as it gives us important and valuable things. It takes deliberate action to steer away from the former and towards the latter. Who really needs stripes in toothpaste? Or a Porsche Panamera? Adam Smith and Ricardo were only partially right about market dynamics. Consumers will not necessarily choose the best, the most ecological, the most socially responsible. Witness the housing market in UK - we need far more housing, and we need ecological housing of the highest standards. Yet there are 250,000 approved sites undeveloped (owners waiting to maximise profits) and the housing that goes up simply meets minimum standards in most cases (to maximise return). Financial opportunity is an unethical magnet for many.

I worry that much of the stuff I need (need?) for my bikes (notice the plural...and that’s not good for the planet) comes from Taiwan, China, Indonesia, and requires mineral extraction - sometimes in countries with dubious human rights records and certainly no minimum wage. Not as much as my car, but not strictly ecologically responsible. Iron ore, bauxite, oil, and high energy requirement for transformation. And problems with disposal - old fork and brake oil, tyres...

I am not an eco-warrior, but I do try to have my eyes open....

Ahhh….it sounded credible 🤷🏻‍♂️ Sure there are many worries about the drop in economic activity associated with less car ownership and use in future, especially inner cities. Its true, retro bikes just go on and on - just built to last. Personally I like what there are doing in Scandinavia now. They are building amazing two way indoor cycle lanes. I also think cyclists and leccy scooter riders would spend more if they had the run of traffic facilities and towns and inner cities banned cars for safety reasons.
 
Working in cycling retail for the last month I'm amazed at the amount of plastic packaging that comes with cycling clothing.
 
A significant portion of cyclists follow the cycling fashion bullshit.

You only need to look at the tip or Gumtree or Ebay to see heaps of usable, serviceable and unwanted bike stuff in excess.
 
Working in cycling retail for the last month I'm amazed at the amount of plastic packaging that comes with cycling clothing.
Oh yeh the cycle industry is just as bad, if not worse than any other global industry out there for poor environmental practices.

Until the masses stop being taken in by relentless marketing BS and the lure of lightweight plastic then "cyclists" are no different to anyone else. The economy and environment are perfectly safe hurtling towards doom at the same rate as it always has.
 
Nstarmore....’...The economy and environment are perfectly safe hurtling towards doom at the same rate as it always has...’ - broadly right, but Judgement Day must feel a lot closer for the Canadians right now...
 
Personally I like what there are doing in Scandinavia now. They are building amazing two way indoor cycle lanes.
Personally, on the face of it that sounds like hell on Earth.
Also, I smell bullshit whenever I hear about any infrastructure project or new product described as being 'green' or 'environmental' or any such synonym. If there is really a 'green' thing to do, it is to stop building shit, not build more of it.
If you ask me, a precipitous drop in 'economic activity' is a necessary but not sufficient condition for any 'future' worth inhabiting, or it would be, if we hadn't built so much dangerous 'hi-tech' shit already that we might have to keep a dysfunctional system in place just to make an attempt at dismantling and decommissioning it all.. and of course you have to ask yourself whether that is an accidental or deliberate attribute of the 'dysfunctional system'- that there is no safe route to relinquishing it? That the very attempt just leads to more and more of it?
"The more you have, the more you need". That seems to apply to energy, technology, capital, and bicycles too.. probably...
 
torqueless....agreed

...but there's quite a generational challenge emerging...'you (older) lot had everything you wanted...and now you are telling us (young generation) to pull back on consumption, travel...all the things which you jumped into without thinking...'. Those younger voices have a point. I have been pushing back against resumption of international travel at my workplace, working on environmental education and so on, and am trying to make any buildings in our community far more green - trying to do my older utmost to live what we all should be doing....
 
Personally, on the face of it that sounds like hell on Earth.
Also, I smell bullshit whenever I hear about any infrastructure project or new product described as being 'green' or 'environmental' or any such synonym. If there is really a 'green' thing to do, it is to stop building shit, not build more of it.
If you ask me, a precipitous drop in 'economic activity' is a necessary but not sufficient condition for any 'future' worth inhabiting, or it would be, if we hadn't built so much dangerous 'hi-tech' shit already that we might have to keep a dysfunctional system in place just to make an attempt at dismantling and decommissioning it all.. and of course you have to ask yourself whether that is an accidental or deliberate attribute of the 'dysfunctional system'- that there is no safe route to relinquishing it? That the very attempt just leads to more and more of it?
"The more you have, the more you need". That seems to apply to energy, technology, capital, and bicycles too.. probably...
Great post 👍
 
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