What modern rims take a tube (easily)

[makster]

Having just wasted money on some Crossmax SLR's to find that getting a tyre + tube in them is next to impossible, I'm looking for suggestions for an alternative.
I've tried tubeless and its far too much faffing about for me, and I simply don't trust it as much as I do a good old fashioned inner tube.
So, what decent rims are there out there that do allow the easy fitting of standard tyres and a tubes??

 

[Uncle Monty]

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Hello.

Surprised you are having grief with the Crossmax, although I have never tried to run them with a tube. I bought a Stumpjumper in 2000 which came with the black flat blade spoke, ceramic rim SLRs. Initially I rode them with the Specialised tyres, then some Hutchinsons. I did have to pump them up every week or so, but there was no sealant available at that time and you were not recommended to use any. I stopped cycling soon after and only picked it up again a few years back. I went out to get new tyres but they would not stay up, this is when I was told "well they won't without sealant", and the shop refused to believe that I have never used sealant in a tubeless set up before. Since then I have successfully used Maxis , Specialised IRC and Panaracer tyres. The maxis are not a true tubeless but they work OK. Cafe latex is a bit thin and I found Stans, while expensive to be excellent. The only time I have had trouble with tubeless is on a set of Stans Flows where I tried to use a non UST Continental Protection tyre - cross kings I think and that was with the cafe latex. It just peed out through the side walls and refused to seal on the rim. You are quite correct in trying to fit two tubes to tyres which are covered in latex trail side is not an experience I would care to repeat. The crossmax are really good rims and if you use a true UST tyre with a bit of stans sealant in there should be bulletproof. Non UST can be a bit thin on the sidewall and just not stable enough on the rim at the pressures you want to run at. The tyres are a tight fit and difficult to mount. You need a bit of tyre soap or just soapy water to get them to pop on the bead - they go with a bang! Inside of the tyre should be scrubbed out with soapy water and dried to remove the mould release agent. Otherwise your sealant will not bond to it. I mount the tyre, pump it up until it seats both sides. Deflate it and pop a small area off one side to pour in the sealant. Blow them back up and swirl them round to spread the sealant. Adjust the pressure and off you go. Mine have never been in a truing stand and the ceramic is just starting to wear off in places. Best pair of wheels I have ever owned. If you do decide to use tubes, the Stans rims are good and look OK once you have peeled the stickers off. Disc only though. Otherwise Mavic?

Cheers - Chris.

 

[mattr]

So, what decent rims are there out there that do allow the easy fitting of standard tyres and a tubes??

Errrr, All of them?

(Unless you are trying to use DH/dual ply tyres and DH tubes......... then you are on your own.)

 

[makster]

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Thanks for the reply.
I've just tried again with a different tyre and it went on fine.
I was originally trying with a Kenda Karma (non tubeless) but have got a Rocket Ron on now.
I was all set to give the whole tubless thing another go, but my experiences over the past 48 hours have brought back to me what a pain in the arse it can be if it doesn't work first time.
It's even resulted in me smashing 2 bottles of nice German beer today, as my boot was full of wheels after a trip to the garage to use the compressor in a failed attempt to get the rear to seal.
Had to put my shopping on the back seat, then the beer fell out when I opened the door.
Final straw

 

[Uncle Monty]

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Yep - dropping the beer would do it...

 

[mattr]

Garage compressors (generally) aren't the best thing for tubeless. As they can't always deliver the initial volume you need to snap the bead on. You need one with a reservoir.

TBH If i hadn't been given a compressor a couple of years ago, i'd have bought one.

I also use it for cleaning my RC cars, pumping up "normal" tyres (car/bike/motorbike), running a windy tool (for removing car wheel nuts), blowing the water off my bikes after cleaning (so as not to leave puddles in the bike room, also useful during the winter, can use it to blow the water out of nooks and crannies to prevent/delay icing up) and inflating tubeless.

 

[AndyHyde74]

Having just wasted money on some Crossmax SLR's to find that getting a tyre + tube in them is next to impossible, I'm looking for suggestions for an alternative.
I've tried tubeless and its far too much faffing about for me, and I simply don't trust it as much as I do a good old fashioned inner tube.
So, what decent rims are there out there that do allow the easy fitting of standard tyres and a tubes??

I had this problem, the solution was to put the rim of the tyre onto the wheel then fit the inner tube and inflate it slightly, this will stop it pinching under the tyre when the fit the second half over the wheel.

 

[makster]

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So how do people who use tubeless go about re-seating a tyre if they have to remove it on the trails?

 

[WD Pro]

1 x Co2 cartridge and a removable valve core will pop a 2.2 on a crossmax with gas to spare.

It's the quick inflation that's the key, your better farting on it then messing around with a standard valve and a forecourt compressor.

I have only used Co2 for the initial seating and then put the sealant in through the valve body before replacing the core.

If pushed, I would use Co2 on the trail (even though it is not recommended once sealant is in) but I would have the valve at the top so it's as far from the sealant as possible.

I have a compressor now so don't need the Co2 but I was thinking the other day that it would be easy to convert a good sized greenfly spray pump to work well.

WD

 

[mattr]

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So how do people who use tubeless go about re-seating a tyre if they have to remove it on the trails?

if it's done properly, you'll never need to reseat a tyre. I've had so few failures I can't even remember when the last one was.