What are these BMX’s??

Boborange

Retro Newbie
Hi all,

I found a couple of old frames I had back in the early 90s that I bought off a mate. Can’t for the life of me remember what they are, any thoughts or ideas would be really appreciated. Thanks
 

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I have this other frame, frame number 7182060, anyone have any ideas? Thanks
 

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Not sure on the bottom one , the gusset Is similar to an ammaco or puch and early mongooses but it’s definatley not a mongoose .
The welds don’t look very tidy so I’d imagine a fairly low end frame .
The rear drop out shape would be the best way to identify I think .
 
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