Orange P7 Frame Weight

[captain8track]

does anyone know what a typical 96-97 orange P7 frame in 19" acctually weights??

I've got a GT tequesta on bid right now and it seems to be in the 2+ kg's and that got me thinking about my old P7.

That wasn't the lightest pup around!!!

on weight weenies the only listening is like sub 2kg but that's for an 15" frame...

HELP...

I have a feeling that my Avalanche 98 isn't a leight ride anyways and it would be kind of cool riding a steel frame again...

 

[FluffyChicken]

I would have thought less than 2kg was fine guess

They where prestige material though heavier than the prestige model. But we are talking the era when steel frames where easily less then 4lb for a high end one.

Well ok I'm talking a few years earlier, but shouldn't have got heavier by then

 

[No Longer Registered]

3lbs 7 ounces figure sticks in my head for some reason.

 

[captain8track]

hmm

that should be around 1,7kg, that feels a bit to light. The P7 have never been a high end ride... 1.7 acctually is the weight of the M2 stumpjumper for an example...

 

[Anthony]

does anyone know what a typical 96-97 orange P7 frame in 19" acctually weights??
I've got a GT tequesta on bid right now and it seems to be in the 2+ kg's and that got me thinking about my old P7.
That wasn't the lightest pup around!!!
on weight weenies the only listening is like sub 2kg but that's for an 15" frame...
HELP...
I have a feeling that my Avalanche 98 isn't a leight ride anyways and it would be kind of cool riding a steel frame again...

The P7 was introduced as a heavier-duty successor to the Prestige. People assume that as it was always more expensive than the C16R/Clockwork, it must be lighter, but that doesn't follow. My 1995 C16R weighed 1.9kg, which is very light, but I expect a P7 would be around 2.1.

A Tequesta would be getting on for 2.5, GTs are stiff and strong, not light! It's a myth that light = good. If you want a bike to be particularly strong/stiff, it's going to be heavier than a bike that's less strong/stiff (unless you go to aluminium of course, and even aluminium frames are often quite heavy). Depends what you want it for really.

 

[captain8track]

well

that's exactly what I thought to, but now I have given my alu GT a last chanse by stripping the paint, and pollishing my fingers out on it...

The Tequesta deal didn't go thru, someone else were faster then me. It sold for around 35£ with the frame in mint condition, and drivetrain in not so good shape but fixable... shame!

But 2.1 or 2.5 isn't that much of a difference really, a couple of light tires would sort that out ha, but to compare 2,4kg is what my Santa Cruz Superlight weighed with a fox rc!

 

[jim-laden]

The P7 was introduced as a heavier-duty successor to the Prestige. People assume that as it was always more expensive than the C16R/Clockwork, it must be lighter, but that doesn't follow. My 1995 C16R weighed 1.9kg, which is very light, but I expect a P7 would be around 2.1.

I don't think that's strictly true. When I got my P7 my friend at uni was quite impressed that the frame weighed exactly the same as the Clockwork I had stolen the previous month!

Even though uni time did involve big beer and maybe a little more!!!I'm fairly certain that this is FACT!!!

But I am prepared to be proven wrong!!

Jim

 

[captain8track]

ok

I believe that the clockwork and the P7 had exactly the same frame

but as always there could be variations in build quality and material?

 

[cornholio's RC200]

The P7 was meant to be the more 'hardcore' version of the C16 from what I remember but I stand to be corrected on that. I would think that would make it a tad heavier.

 

[Anthony]

The P7 was introduced as a heavier-duty successor to the Prestige. People assume that as it was always more expensive than the C16R/Clockwork, it must be lighter, but that doesn't follow. My 1995 C16R weighed 1.9kg, which is very light, but I expect a P7 would be around 2.1.

I don't think that's strictly true. When I got my P7 my friend at uni was quite impressed that the frame weighed exactly the same as the Clockwork I had stolen the previous month!
Even though uni time did involve big beer and maybe a little more!!!I'm fairly certain that this is FACT!!!
But I am prepared to be proven wrong!!
Jim

Earlier Clockworks I can't speak for, but I was comparing the P7 with a 95 C16R and frames were getting generally lighter at that time. If you look here
http://www.retrobike.co.uk/gallery2/mai ... c3bb093efc
you'll see that Orange said that they had 'moved away from the lightweight at all cost' approach. So they were either saying that the Prestige they built previously was too light (news to me) or that Tange Prestige Superlight wasn't a very clever tubeset compared to their own Series 8 (dream on) or maybe (but they couldn't quite bring themselves to say it) that the P7 was a few ounces heavier because it was intended for a different purpose.

The trouble is that the myth that light = quality is so deeply ingrained in peoples' minds that makers can't admit the truth. So Orange had to dance around the truth instead of just saying 'this is slightly heavier because it's the burly version of xc, not because it lacks quality', which was the truth.

And in reality, the P7 has always had this 'go anywhere, last forever' reputation, it's never been a racer. Whereas the C16R genuinely was the classic poor man's xc racer of the mid 90s, which is one of the many reasons why it suits lightweight riders (in every sense!) like me.