New definition for NOS

FMJ":2ubxodtr said:
Was it in a For Sale thread? No, it was i the what I found/scrounged thread. You took a cheeky punt at a seat I came upon and posted in a thread about old parts you've found. If I posted it for sale and didn't reply that would be a different story. Move on.

Pfft.
It makes no difference, in my book. A reply saying 'no I don't want to sell' or 'it's not mine to sell' is courteous. Ignoring a message is, well, ignorant.
One thing is for sure - it's put me off doing any deal with you in future regardless of whether it's an advertised sale or not.

Worth pointing out that it was you who brought up how your 'feedback speaks for itself' not me. I don't doubt that you have had some happy customers, but my experience of trying to do a deal with you differs - so I've shared my opinion. ;)
 
paddy311":35st4sid said:
A reply saying 'no I don't want to sell' or 'it's not mine to sell' is courteous. Ignoring a message is, well, ignorant.

Are you thick? I replied to you telling you my buddy wanted to keep the seat and he forgot to remove it from the post before I left with the box of stuff it was thrown in with so it wasn't for sale without his refusal. You replied if he doesn't want it let me know. I guess I'm ignorant for not giving you daily PM updates about the status of something that was never for sale in the first place. :roll:

I still don't know if he want's it back or not. Last time he was by we were too busy wrenching in the short time we had that neither of us remembered about it. I'll be sure to ask him now. If he doesn't want it, it's for sale. Not to you, but I'm sure someone else will want it.

No, wait. I'll give it to the Co-Op. I love donating parts to them. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
 
FMJ":2j05vprz said:
Are you thick? I replied to you telling you my buddy wanted to keep the seat and he forgot to remove it from the post before I left with the box of stuff it was thrown in with so it wasn't for sale without his refusal. You replied if he doesn't want it let me know. I guess I'm ignorant for not giving you daily PM updates about the status of something that was never for sale in the first place. :roll:

I still don't know if he want's it back or not. Last time he was by we were too busy wrenching in the short time we had that neither of us remembered about it. I'll be sure to ask him now. If he doesn't want it, it's for sale. Not to you, but I'm sure someone else will want it.

No, wait. I'll give it to the Co-Op. I love donating parts to them. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Personal insults now then - nice one :LOL: Backing up my view that I will never deal with you.

You didn't say your buddy wanted to keep it.

As it goes, you helpfully posted a screen grab of exactly what you said to me up there^^, genius. ;) ^^

'I have to see if he wants it back before I do anything with it'

A couple weeks later I messaged you to ask if you had the go ahead to sell it. No answer. I can type 'sorry not for sale' in about two seconds, personally. Not bad for a thicko.

This seems to be going nowhere. All the best, amigo.
 
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Anyway back to the topic, NOS is NOS, it's not a measure of condition.

Some things that are NOS will be perfect, mint, unmarked parts and packaging. Other things will have been sat in a draw full of other parts, shoved in a dusty storeroom, offered up for a visual to a shop jock's bike, sold and returned, moved shop 4 times in the last 25 years, etc.

Price should just reflect condition and NOS should just be applied to NOS items (condition irrelevant).
 
For drivetrain components, I only buy NOS (and only when similarly priced to equivalent modern units). I don't see the point of getting some heavily used chainrings or knackered shifters just because they were the ones the bike used to have when new. For other components I don't mind used if it's reflected in the price, but I never pay premium for "vintage". If I need new brakes and some LX cantilevers cost the same as new Deore v-brakes, as it happened recently, I won't hesitate to get the new stuff.

Usually, best value purchases come from sellers that don't know what NOS means. They are just selling that old bike that has been gathering dust in the shed and as such, they sell it for what it is, an old bike. Luckily where I live now, in Germany, it is relatively easy to find decent deals as many people have big sheds with too many bikes lying around. But whenever I see in the add words like "retro", "rare", "vintage" or "highly sought after", I tend to run away, as the owner has probably a (at least to me) totally unrealistic price.

Also, forums like this one where all of us fanatics are concentrated are great to find rare pieces, but not the best of prices, as we all think our "old sh*t" is worth more than it really is...

My mother-in-law still wonders why I bought that used 25 year-old lugged steel Trek 950 for my wife, when "it has no suspension and the handlebar is so low...". For her, and she's probably right, it's just an old bike. At least I got it at a decent price!
 
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Some interesting comments here, it does seem that the NOS tag does, in reality, vary between unused but actually quite scruffy looking components which have sat in a box of bits for years and those that come in original packaging, sometimes described as New In Box NIB. My expectations of getting something actually 'new' looking are now fairly low and I invariably rely on muc off and autosol to get things as I would like them. Having bought a bunch of NOS parts for my mtb project over the last 4 months, I won't be doing it again anytime soon. I bought the best condition period appropriate parts I could find so I had as new a bike as possible. I will take lots of nice photos, then go and enjoy riding the bike I couldn't afford 24 years ago.
 
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