Hurcules ??

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Hello - I'm just after some help with an ID on this project I'm busy working on. It was unnamed with Sturmey Archer Dyno hubs dated 1948 and 1951 and then I found a HURCULES MADE IN ENNGLAND stamped on the B/B after cleaning garage grease from it for ages. Did Hurcules do bikes with Dyno hubs or is this a mix of parts. thanks. Has a saddle made in Italy aswell
 

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Certainly in the 1950s, Dynohubs were standard on roadster models and available as an extra on all other models. The forward facing rear dropouts and cable brakes suggest that it's not a roadster.
 
I used to have a late 30s BSA Sports and this bike is quite similar. I did a lot of detective work on mine so I might as well pass on a bit of that knowledge here. I'm glad you found a Hercules marking because there were a lot of these factory-built Roadster and Sports bikes made by Raleigh/Triumph/BSA/New Hudson/Gazelle/Hercules etc and they can be difficult to identify once they lose their badges and decals.

They built bikes like this pretty much unchanged from the 1930s up to the 1970s. To my eyes the frame, fork, bars, stem, brakes and mudguards all belong together. Saddle is obviously later and doesn't belong with it. The headset is a clip type headset. These were generally obsolete by the late 30s but they do still pop up on later bikes. The handlebars are Lauterwasser bars which were a popular shape in the late 30s and 40s and on your bike they're upside down. The brake levers and calipers look similar age, so that's why I think this all belongs together. Everything looks like it has black paint slapped over it. In general, if the bars and stem are plain painted steel it dates them 1939-1945 because there were wartime chromium shortages. If they are chrome plated under that paint it dates them pre- or post-war. The metal mudguards fit well, so I think they belong with the frame. Frame has quite slack angles which would be consistent with a late 30s frame. The frame has fittings (like the pulley under the seat cluster) to run a Sturmey Archer hub at the back, but the rear stay also has a mounting point for an early 2-bolt direct-mount derailleur like a TriVelox B or Cyclo twin cable.

So. If I was really pushed to say what I was looking at here, I'd say this is a late 30s or early 40s bike which was 'updated' at some point with the Sturmey Archer rear and Dynohub front for the light, and the bars were flipped for a more upright riding position. Since the hubs are dated 1948 and 1951, this was probably probably done in the late 40s or early 50s.
 
I used to have a late 30s BSA Sports and this bike is quite similar. I did a lot of detective work on mine so I might as well pass on a bit of that knowledge here. I'm glad you found a Hercules marking because there were a lot of these factory-built Roadster and Sports bikes made by Raleigh/Triumph/BSA/New Hudson/Gazelle/Hercules etc and they can be difficult to identify once they lose their badges and decals.

They built bikes like this pretty much unchanged from the 1930s up to the 1970s. To my eyes the frame, fork, bars, stem, brakes and mudguards all belong together. Saddle is obviously later and doesn't belong with it. The headset is a clip type headset. These were generally obsolete by the late 30s but they do still pop up on later bikes. The handlebars are Lauterwasser bars which were a popular shape in the late 30s and 40s and on your bike they're upside down. The brake levers and calipers look similar age, so that's why I think this all belongs together. Everything looks like it has black paint slapped over it. In general, if the bars and stem are plain painted steel it dates them 1939-1945 because there were wartime chromium shortages. If they are chrome plated under that paint it dates them pre- or post-war. The metal mudguards fit well, so I think they belong with the frame. Frame has quite slack angles which would be consistent with a late 30s frame. The frame has fittings (like the pulley under the seat cluster) to run a Sturmey Archer hub at the back, but the rear stay also has a mounting point for an early 2-bolt direct-mount derailleur like a TriVelox B or Cyclo twin cable.

So. If I was really pushed to say what I was looking at here, I'd say this is a late 30s or early 40s bike which was 'updated' at some point with the Sturmey Archer rear and Dynohub front for the light, and the bars were flipped for a more upright riding position. Since the hubs are dated 1948 and 1951, this was probably probably done in the late 40s or early 50s.
Blimey that's amazing information. I certainly wouldn't have worked that out on Google. Thanks for that. The handle bars are steel and not chromed. I wondered what the bolt holes were on the rear chain stay near the drops. And I could not find a 1950s Hercules with the stem that's on here. Ok brilliant - Hmmm now I'm in a dilemma as to wether to try and get it back to more original - I wonder what kind of wheels it used as opposed to the Dyno Hub ones on here now. Thanks 👍 🙏
 
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