hi thanks for the help everyone,i`ve put some slicks on it,and using it for my work bike,nice and fast,makes the 24 mile trip alot more pleasurable than using my old KHS fitted with full mudguards,when i learn how to update my profile will put up some pictures of my bikes,orange prestige,orange p7,trek 8000,raleigh techium,gaint super sierra,kastle,specialized m2,enduro elite,marin riftzone,bear valley,oh and my old postman bike,will have another crack at it this weekend,thanks again