crap bikes - discuss...

[FluffyChicken]

<hate to go off topic but...>
Why the **** are people debating 'crap' and not doing what the thread was designed and asked for.
Name a CRAP BIKE and WHY it is crap....
with no comeback on your opinions.

Shut the **** UP the rest of you.


<off to get a coffee...>

:roll:

 

[Conde Pyruslav]

GT Pantera (I think), 1995 (maybe).

I had ridden my 92 Trek 970 and was growing taller. Everybody thought I would eventually grow much taller, and this made me take a bad decision: get rid of the lovely 16" 970 and move into a 18" GT Pantera.

It was ugly, it was too big, it was not a Zaskar, it was painted in an ugly gray colour with ugly stickers saying All Terra Pantera GT Aluminium Competition Crap Too Big For You LOL Hahaha I Pee Now.

To make things worse, I could not afford a "good" bike, so instead of getting one built in a factory and equipped there, I got bits and pieces from my Trek (including that USE titanium seat post...) and some others from the shop who sold the GT to me. It was a mix of shit. It never worked properly. I got new grip-shifts after destroying two pairs of XT speedshifters. I got brakes that I had to change quickly as soon as the V-brakes appeared, because I kept on crashing. I installed a Manitou IV fork and, as expected, I did it wrong. Then some said I could tune my fork by putting springs together with the rubber it came with, it had the behavior of those little rubber balls that boing-boing everywhere...

First day I used it, on the way back home I jumped a group of ten or so steps in a local park, rear wheel took the funny shape of an eight.

It was not even light.

It came with me to Marbella, Southern Spain, when I moved there, I used it once, to go to a pharmacy.

It was sold after I left Spain to go to work in Paris, by a friend. I don't even know how much he sold it for.

And I bought the GT because several years earlier, it was alight blue GT Avalanche that I adored after seeing in on a magazine (just before turning the page to find the new 1990 Klein Attitude in team dolomite colours, of course).

This I have found on this forum...

Now, some said it was a 1993 frame...

 

[legrandefromage]

<hate to go off topic but...>
Why the f**k are people debating 'crap' and not doing what the thread was designed and asked for.
Name a CRAP BIKE and WHY it is crap....
with no comeback on your opinions.

Shut the f**k UP the rest of you.


<off to get a coffee...>

:roll:

Jeeeze and I thought I was the on-off guy!

Crap - 1999 Cannondale F3000 Disc.

Why? - Headshock was terrible, just didnt work no matter how much it was adjusted for weight/ travel etc. Coda hydraulic brakes - they did not work either, sort of vibrated to a stop with echos reverberating around Devil's Dyke after trying to bed them in at about 40mph...

I spent a lot of money on that bike and grew to hate it. Should have asked for my money back.

 

[mikee]

i think even a crap(bso) bike can be made better with a bit of fettling
therefore functional ,which in reality is all they pretend to be

the real crap ones are those that aspire to be proper bikes

my personal gripe is rockhoppers , cast iron like frames that ride like a
brick , a proper mountain bike ? NO

but folk buy them in droves , but stick them on a zaskar or the like and they then see what i'm on about

anyway just cos a bikes crap dont mean i wont buy it

 

[bm0p700f]

My very first MTB was a raliegh Lizard. It got stolen and I missed it at the time but that all I remember about it, so it can't have been that brilliant.

I then bought a Giant GSR400 in 1994, it cost me £400 of my student loan. I tried off roading near abderdeen once and it was aweful. I kept that bike for about 8 years until I had enough it an threw it in the skip (it was shagged in every way). It was my daily trasnsport in all thast time, so while it was crap it was good as it served a purpose but it did it babdly.

I then bought an Orange Gringo with the wages from my first proper job and started offroad riding, within a year the wheels were oval and the manitou forks stopped being bouncy in the cold of winter (stupid elstomers) and it forever required attention. I loved riding it but it was crap then it got stolen so I got a identical replacement, that was crap too and got stolen as well and then the replacement was my current MTB an Oranage Evo2. The stock spec on that was crap aswell. Wheels went out of round and ISIS BB kept on wearing out every three months. So the components were crap but the frame is fantastic I still enjoy riding it (although all I have kept original is the frame, stem and bars).

I also own a "crap" Marin Palisades as a mud bike. Well it not crap but this rational it is.

"Conde Pyruslav wrote:
Personally, anything that was not the high-end of any certain brand, except if we talk of very special bikes, is crap. It was crap back in those years, you would buy a Marin Muirwoods because you couldn't afford a Marin Team Marin"

I have never bought a top end bike from any manufacturer then I must be riding crap according to you. I'll keep buying up crap them. I don't care I enjoy riding them.

I also own a Triator Exile. Great frame shame about the crap paint finish and after a year of riding it off to be powder coated and laquered. That's crap I knew what I buying when I bought it. Still love riding it though.

Does an Alan with round forks count as crap as they were recalled and replaced with D section forks as the round ones are at risk of snapping. Mione seems to have escaped that recall wihich is good as I can say it is crap and therefore keep on riding it.

 

[Conde Pyruslav]

To my comment of the Muirwoods, obviously you cannot compare the level of crappiness of the basic 1989 Muirwoods with the level of a modern bike, that are most probably better built.

When I came back to mtb activity (LOL, not really in Yangon...) I was amazed by the quality of ride and function of my current Trek 6500, which is not a top-end bike but actually feels pretty decent.

 

[Chute55uk]

its hard for me to say what bike is crap. ive had some bikes that were falling to bits made out of pig iron but they all still got me to where i have wanted to go. my first bought mountain bike was a raleigh maverick (the yellow and white one) then a motorbike then a raleigh yukon. were they crap? i diddnt think so in fact i loved riding them. but to put it into perspective i have a viscount sebring 10 speed racer from the 70's and a new specialized allez with ultegra. i hate riding the spesh to work it feels too harsh and twitchy but the viscount feels lovely to commute on but theres no way in hell im going to do the london to brighton on it!
beauty/crap is in the eye of the beholder
that said after building thousands of universal's.....

 

[Chute55uk]

To my comment of the Muirwoods, obviously you cannot compare the level of crappiness of the basic 1989 Muirwoods with the level of a modern bike, that are most probably better built.

When I came back to mtb activity (LOL, not really in Yangon...) I was amazed by the quality of ride and function of my current Trek 6500, which is not a top-end bike but actually feels pretty decent.

but thats the point no? the 1989 muirwoods probably felt pretty decent to who ever bought one in 1989

 

[Conde Pyruslav]

Yes, it felt decent in the same way that an Opel Corsa TR was decent for a family... oh, wait, it was crap! Take a look back and try to imagine a journey in an small rusty carburated iron box on wheels with tiny seats that barely hold you and no air conditioning, while you see Mr and Mrs Swissbank floating around in their perfectly isolated Mercedes 560SEL.

Maybe my Marin was more a good 1986 Ford Escort with power windows, but even by 1989 standards the crank-set was extremely heavy and, whilst not a Shimano SIS, the 200GS failed a lot, not to mention the plastic front brakes and plastic brake levers, or the two hundred kilograms seat post.

But the Corsa TR, the Escort (my dad had one), like the Marin Muirwoods (1989, odd white, etc...) may had an intense sentimental value to the owners.

 

[Chute55uk]

! Take a look back and try to imagine a journey in an small rusty carburated iron box on wheels with tiny seats that barely hold you and no air conditioning, while you see Mr and Mrs Swissbank floating around in their perfectly isolated Mercedes 560SEL.

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i think here is your issue
its called envy
i drive a crappy ford escort why? because it is a tool to get me around, nothing more. i see people in their expensive cars and you know what i think as they swish past me?, nothing. i couldnt care less if they have a bugatti veyron or a vuaxhall corsa. they are not me and are free to choose as they please. this argument has droned on since the dawn of the horse and cart but its just a question of perspective. so ask yourself this, if you have a journey to make would you rather walk, ride a crap bike or drive a crap car?
i dont care what others have and i shall cast no judgement either way niether should you. if you lost everything in your life tomorrow whats the first thing you would replace? your car? i doubt it