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I'll never come close to using a modern decent mtb so couldn't justify the price, and besides, I've always tbought those 90's bikes were better looking anyway. Even more so road frames, but a coupke of years back i had a brief spelll on a cheap trek road, and I just couldn't get on with drop...

That really is a beautiful colour. Will be intetesting to see what rim colours you go for too, and how far off piste it goes, not that I'd know 😂. That welding you had done on the fork was amazing, i can see why you'd need someone you can trust to do that.

Well thanks Enigma, that's very informative. I've learned a bit about stems now, just one of many things it's clear I need to understand. I can definitely see the advantage of Ahead stems - I guess I'll know by looking at a bike, but what sort of period are we talking with regard to the change...

Oooh, that Rocky Mountain is a tasty looking think, I definitely need to gen up on those, don't know anything about them. Any particular models I should go for? And very interesting you mentioned the Marin too, and how you ride that so much. I was reading a thread on here about what bike you...

Cheers, thanks for pointing this out - only just been able to check it out on ebay and missed out there - that was cheap wasn't it.

I'm not quite a fossil, though a weekend of digging out 30 yr old bushes & filling a skip with allsorts this weekend has made itself known :) Yes, I've started all manner of searches for retro stuff, thanks for the price advice, that helps. I agree with your thoughts on the 16" frame, from what...

Ha ha!!!...I'm 64 so it's more a case of handlebar rise rather than drop :-). Actually maybe not that extreme. I simulated the 21" frame standover with a table & spirit level and 85 (which the ad specified) was way too much, so I've knocked that one on the head. Great to hear you experience of...

Thanks Markybeau, good advice - especially as I'm prone to heart over head decisions. Bought a couple of motorcycles that way, and let one that was an absolute beaut go when I shouldn't have. I'll definitely have a look at Kona & Marin, as you & everyone has recommended. Thanks.

Why no suspension? I always assume, even for just general easy trails and non-tarmac routes it'd give a bit more of a comfy & compliant ride? - I think I've got a lot to learn :)

Cheers Jimo, I didn't know about the retro Orange owners group - I'll have a look. The cheaper one came up as just a comment by the owner on another thread, so not actually advertised - I've just been chatting with the owner. The expensive one - well, yes, it is steep, but I guess I got...

Thanks for all the replies guys, some really helpful info there. Reassures me that I'm not too bonkers in thinking a retro bike would suit my needs. Well, I'm not sure either of the bikes I was looking at will work. The 1997 refurbed one is 85cm standover, and I've mocked up a bar at home and...

Hi, thanks for accepting me to the forum. I've inexplicably fallen for an Orange P7, but owners I guess will understand :) I'm getting back into cycling after 35+ years off, and was originally looking at getting an Orange Clockwork 2014 ish era for general use, then I found a completely rebuilt...