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This probably belongs on GIGFY's thread too.. parked here just because it's Green AND Eau-de-Nil.. 😁 Circa1958 650b constructeur, according to web source:

"Green French Bike" No way mate.. Eau-de-Nil, innit? Hitchcock allegedly had a thing for it: 😁

Yeah as a kid I was the same. But I have one nephew, now about a quarter of a century old, who, I'm informed, never learned to ride a bike nor expressed any subsequent desire to do so. (So it would seem there's not been much peer-pressure in that direction either.) That seems pretty sad to me...

Yeah but which one? I genuinely feel sorry for you people with ten bikes..😁

I wonder what proportion of people in younger generations even learned to ride a bike? I'd guess it was close to 100% for my generation... but I bet it's gone down.

Exactly. I don't own a hub that cannot have its OLN increased or reduced by removing or adding a spacer. If something is preventing this on whatever new-fangled hubbery has been introduced in the interim, I'm glad to have nothing to do with it. I have never bought, owned or used a 'cassette'...

The thing about a "no set course" race is that it cannot easily be turned into a spectacle and so cannot easily attract advertisers/sponsors... In fact it is literally 'unwatchable/not worth watching'...and that's probably why the format was changed. Wouldn't it be great if TdF was run like that?

Yeah, and you could start with your title. If you're going to abuse apostrophes you could at least do it consistently! 😁 Member bduc61 has at least three great threads in "Reader's(sic)Road Bikes" back-pages: 1. 1938 Narcisse 2. Mystery 1950 French Randonneuse 3. 1977 753 Rene Herse

Imo there's a distinction between bending 'fresh' steel in a production process and bending fifty+ year-old steel, not least because you have no idea how many times it might've been bent already. You acquire an old frame with 120mm rear spacing. Twenty years back someone respaced it to 126mm...

Thanks biggs. Repacker- the Classic Lightweights uk website has an entry for Dave Russell under 'Builders'. One of West (of) London's notable framebuilders through '60s, '70s and beyond. ..and if you can see under the bb shell, the first two digits of the five digit number should tell you the...

The Claud is Holdsworthy- probably early '80s. The Claud Butler- badged equivalent of a Holdsworth Special. 531db throughout, Campag ends. It's a good frame. Check out Peachy!s '81 Colstar thread in "Reader's Road Bikes."

Yeah someone please at least attempt to rescue that Dave Russell and preserve the paint (and the metal too of course.)

Within any cylindrical constraint (such as a bb shell) you're going to be using larger diameter balls with cup 'n' cone than you would with sealed bearings. Thats a good thing.

@Woz The fixie crew may have ground off some braze-ons, but they don't usually tug old chainstays out to 130mm. Nobody seems to complain about that here.. this is double-standards. I don't believe anything is superior in every way. Virtues are always accompanied by vices.

Road frames? That was just for one year- can't remember which year. Second half of the '70s. I think they went up to 75 deg., and then backed off to 74deg., no doubt as a result of loads of negative feedback from the pros who had to ride them 150 miles or whatever..

Rumbled again.. 😁

Well.. I'm by no means up to speed on the secondhand bike market... but I think your prices are optimistic.. but probably no harm in trying. Bear in mind that although these were top-end frames from Holdsworth, afaik they are factory frames. For better or worse, one guy brazed the bb, another...

Yes 1/2" increments would've been standard back then. I can't shake the C-T habit, which is contemporaneous to your frames, and for me nearly as old as them, so I'd call them 23" (C-T) Brake drillings on track frames: Good- You can use the frame legally on the road. Bad- No longer original...

I think you are quoting the wrong post there?

If you are sellling to someone who actually wishes to ride the bike/frame, then it's customary to measure the seat tube, either centre-to-centre or centre-to-top, and specify which you are using: e.g: "22 inches C-T" : Without going into detail, I'd guess you could have around half a grand's...