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Re: Im not saying they were made by one company I'm just saying they are very similar and i feel they knocked ideas from each other or worked on ideas together thanks andy

Re: what i am saying is a dale is a klein. i have stripped one of each to the bare bone and under intense light saw where the weld are smoothed and they are the same. also pepperoni forks are the same but not straight and also the one and a quarter headset is the same diameter as the klein...

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well what can i say i have been researching and have found that klein frames are the exact same form and tubing as a Cannonade and even the welds have been done the same. i am more shocked that cannonade tubing has traces of boron in them to and also MIT University admited to people at the same...

Re: Hmmmmm i think i might make a weekend of it and book the intruder into the local campsite and do a spot of fishing and the 50k ride and of course some good food and beers. Gears me up for mayhem hmmmmmm thanks andy

Re: all items have been pulled from sale now due to finding a klein frame at the weekend in me attic so i will be using the bits to build this up. thanks andy

Re: its all for sale here i like to give the forum first offer. pm me and I'm sure we come to an agreement thanks andy

Re: Re: I am gonna send them to the polishers to see if they can bring them back to life

Re: All clean and ready for sale so get your cash out. Now let me go back up the shed and i dread to think whats in the attic.

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Re: Suntour XCD Groupset i will see if i have any suture canti's

Re: here is some pics of bits i have come across sun tour xcd syncros one and one eighth sun tour xcd cycloid white industries after 2 years up the shed sun tour cycloid xcd off the 88 muddy fox explorer collection of bits including another white industries with sugino rings i will...

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Re: Re: Your one lucky chap i was going through my shed today and i found a load of chainsets. two of them are sun tour XCD and one of them is the original bio pace xcd which came on the explorer. i have two white industries ones as well but they have got wet and oxidised so not sure what...

Re: Re: i did not mean your ladies lol

Re: i would love to sell it all separately but i know i will end up with bits and pieces left and different postage and changing listings and it all gets messy. so its a job lot I'm afraid. make it a new year project for yourself and buy a muddy fox off me and put this nice groups on it lol.

Re: well what can i say i was so overwhelmed with cooking and my ever growing brood of children i forgot all about the twizzeler until the 28th of december when my wife reminded me. I told her thank you for information which has come to late. i aint done no retro rides this year and i thought...