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Hi thanks for the info. The V-CC Library has the Challenge '65 brochure & I agree the lugs etc are identical. The lug work on both Challenger & Cavalier frames seem to be very similar, unfortunately I have no views of the lug work for the forks on Cavalier models yet. I had debated the...

Can anybody out there help me with the dating of my Claud Butler frame? I would like to know the build year as to whether the frame is actually a Claud Butler or Holdsworth built Claud. The serial number on the frame & forks is 5213. On the bottom bracket it is located centrally positioned @...